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Wednesday, March 15, 2006

What about Theo Van Gogh?

The next time somebody tries to use Theo Van Gogh as a figure of pity and a symbol of 'freedom of speech' on LGF they may want to check this out.

Van Gogh also wrote many anti-Semitic articles. In an article in the Amsterdam university magazine Folia in the beginning of the eighties he had Jewish writer Leon de Winter perform the “Treblinka love game” with “a piece of barbed wire” around his “dick”. He also fantasized about “copulating yellow stars in the gas chamber”. In this way he reproduced the anti-Semite myth of the perverse sexual drives, which supposedly completely dominate the Jewish existence. According to Van Gogh, even in the gas chambers this drive got the better of them. He also wrote that Jewish historian Evelien Gans had “wet dreams” about having sex with Mengele. In the anti-Semitic tradition Jews always sought contact with the devil, in this case with the unscrupulous concentration camp doctor.

Van Gogh liked to wrap his anti-Semitism in ‘humor’. For instance, he had Jewish TV talk show host Sonja Barend say outside a camp barrack: “And tomorrow a healthy awakening”. (Which is what she always said at the end of her shows.) He also proposed to make a happy family movie “about a small girl, who, during half of the war, keeps calling the Gestapo: come and get me, come and get me, my dairy is ready!... and they do not come.” He also ‘joked’: “What smells of caramel here? Today they are only burning Jews with diabetes”. (Diabetes is called “sugar disease” in Dutch.) Van Gogh argued that Jews abuse their black past, and wanted to end their “whining” about the Shoah. With this kind of ‘jokes’ he wanted to banalize the concentration camps. But by doing so he cooperated in denying the misery of Auschwitz.
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7 comments:

ebulaitng@gmail.com said...

What is your point exactly? Its no secret the man was a complete asshole who made it his lifes work to annoy and offend as many people as he could. Does that justify his murder? Of course not!

What I think is really interesting about your example is that he was NOT killed by a Jew, even though he told disgusting lies about them, but rather a Muslim, after he told the TRUTH about them (albeit in an unnessesarily inflammatory way, but that was his style).
Kinda put things in perspective. Nearly every society on Earth today accepts criticism and has the ability to change, EXCEPT Islam. Islam has accomplished something no other religion/culture has ever done. It has resisted change for almost its entire existance, and in incidents like van Goh we see how it has done so.

adultmalebluegrouse said...

Oh come on!!!

Is every single murder by a Muslim an example of how bad Islam in general is? Is it by extension an example of how violent every Muslim believer is?

Typical LGF groupthink. Whats your LGF screen name?

Turning your accusations on its head - How many destructive wars have been fought against Muslim countries by peace-loving-God-fearing Christian governments over the last 2000 years?

Islam is changing. Just like everything else. You should get out more.

Take your head out the sand.

MJ said...

Islam as a whole wasn't responsible for his death. An extremist who's faith happened to be Islam killed him for insulting his faith. Blaming Islam for this murder is much like blaming Christianity as a whole for the murder of abortion doctors.

The point of the point of the post is clearly stated in the FIRST SENTENCE! Maybe you should read it again.

"The next time somebody tries to use Theo Van Gogh as a figure of pity and a symbol of 'freedom of speech' on LGF they may want to check this out."

See! The point was about using Van Gogh as an argument for freedom of speech, not about Muslims or Jews killing anybody.

Nice try. You'd be better off debating at LGF with comprehension skills like that.

ebulaitng@gmail.com said...

OH COME ON yourself! The new article about the Afghani man who might be killed for converting to Christianity is more proof that Islam IS different, that it DOES resist change at all costs, and that Western concpets like freedom of religion are completely foreign to it. You accuse me of groupthink while ignoring the greatest example of it currently on earth.

MJ said...

Islam is resistant to change because of the actions of the current Afghani supreme court? Well, who installed them I wonder?

As the point was made before. Is Christianity to blame for extremists killing abortion doctors? Is an entire religion to be defined by its extremists?

PS Nice avoidance of the fact that you misread the point of the main post entirely.

Run along back to LGF.

adultmalebluegrouse said...

Meh.

Islam Is The Borg said...

What a bunch of moral equivalent bollocks.

Islam is changing. Just like everything else. You should get out more.

No matter how much it tries to change, Muslims can never escape the fact that Mohammed was a violent thug who raped, murdered, and plundered his way to success. You can not build a peaceful religion around a figure who was constantly cutting throats and raping the women of the tribes he conquered.

Asman Bint Marwan made fun of Mohammed for being a violent thug. He had his followers kill her in her sleep in retaliation.

Individual christians might end up acting like total violent jackasses, but they have a much harder time justifying their barbarity than Muslims who look up to Mohammed.

Turning your accusations on its head - How many destructive wars have been fought against Muslim countries by peace-loving-God-fearing Christian governments over the last 2000 years?

About as many as have been waged by Muslim fascists. The Middle East, North Africa, and parts of South-Asia were Christian before Islam came along.

Hint: They call it Hindu Kush, not Hindu Happytown.

Islam is a militant political ideology.

Is every single murder by a Muslim an example of how bad Islam in general is? Is it by extension an example of how violent every Muslim believer is?

No. However, Muslim violence is much easier to justify since Mohammed himself was a murderous thug. So what if Mohammed wrote poems when he wasn't busy slitting throats and raping the slaves he took with his "right hand"? A brute is a brute is a brute.

Take your head out the sand.

That's advice you should follow yourself.

Colin W.
An extremist who's faith happened to be Islam killed him for insulting his faith. Blaming Islam for this murder is much like blaming Christianity as a whole for the murder of abortion doctors.

Wrong. The examples of Mohammed JUSTIFY muslim violence committed in his name. Van Gogh's murderer was as much an extremist as Mohammed was.

The next time somebody tries to use Theo Van Gogh as a figure of pity and a symbol of 'freedom of speech' on LGF they may want to check this out."

See! The point was about using Van Gogh as an argument for freedom of speech, not about Muslims or Jews killing anybody.


Oh, I get it. Just because Van Gogh said some really nauseating things, than we SHOULDN'T try to use his murder as an example of freedom of speech squashed? Of course, that makes PERFECT sense.

"Look, Van Gogh was an anti-semite. Let's stop using him as an argument for free speech."

Obviously, the concept of free speech is lost on you. I won't defend what Van Gogh said, but I'll defend the right he had to say it.

As the point was made before. Is Christianity to blame for extremists killing abortion doctors? Is an entire religion to be defined by its extremists?

When those extremists include Mohammed... Then, yes.

Unless you think it was perfectly fine for Mohammed to kill Asma Bint Marwan for making fun of him. Or maybe when he slaughtered Rayhana Bint Zayd's family and then took her as a concubine by force... That's fine, right? What a wonderful chap. The epitomy of civil behavior.