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Tuesday, August 02, 2005

More on the Jean Charles de Menezes shooting

As more details are coming out this tragic event looks worse and worse for the police. Eye witness reports and Police statements are now suggesting that the justifications for the shooting of Jean Charles were either confused, unclear or false.

Now here's what was originally claimed by the authorities

When the shooting at Stockwell Underground station was first confirmed, a senior police source told reporters, off the record, that they had killed one of the would-be suicide bombers who was on the run after the failed July 21 bombings. Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police commissioner, said that the shooting was “directly linked” to the terrorist operation.

The man, according to the police, was suspect because of his “clothing and behaviour”. He had been followed from a house that had been under surveillance. When he was challenged at Stockwell, he ignored instructions and ran. He had vaulted over the ticket barrier and was wearing a dark bulky jacket that could disguise a bomb.

One witness had de Menezes as an Asian with a beard and wires coming out of his torso. The truth is more mundane. De Menezes, an electrician, was travelling to north London to fix a fire alarm.
And here are some of the facts now coming to light.

He was not wearing what witnesses called a “black bomber jacket”, but a denim jacket. It was about 17C and his clothing would not have been out of the ordinary.

He did not vault a ticket barrier, as claimed. He used a travelcard to pass through the station in the normal way. His family believes that he may have started to run simply because he heard the train pulling in — something Londoners do every day. Indeed, a train was at the platform when he got there.
Police clearly believed that de Menezes might have been a suicide bomber, even though he was not carrying a rucksack. This raises a key question: why was de Menezes allowed to board a bus in Tulse Hill and travel to Stockwell, if officers thought that his body might be rigged with explosives? It also raises questions about the new shoot-to-kill protocol. The protocol — which is specific to individual targets — can be put into force only when police have reason to believe that a suspect may be carrying a bomb. The order can be issued only by a “gold commander” at Scotland Yard.

The order, once given, clears officers to shoot the suspect in the head if they believe that he is about to activate the bomb. The idea is to give the individual no time to react. Police do not have to shout a warning before they act: to do so would negate the effect of the head shot.

Some witnesses say that de Menezes was given no chance to give himself up. They say that once on the train he was pinned to the ground and shot.

Lee Ruston, 32, was at the bottom of the escalator that de Menezes ran down. He believes that he heard every word said by officers.

According to him, officers did not say the word “police” or offer de Menezes the prospect of arrest. “I heard a voice shouting ‘get on the floor, just get on the floor’. Another voice said the same, ‘get on the floor’. I then heard the crack of gunshots,” he said.

Whether de Menezes was given a warning — as police claimed — will be critical to the inquiry, as will the assessment of the gold commander who decided that de Menezes was a threat and implemented the shoot-to-kill protocol.


So that's no bulky jacket, no jumping the barrier, no 'beard', no wiring hanging out of his jacket, no warning and no clear idea why the 'gold' commander was convinced he was carrying a bomb.

Let's hope the inquiry is a damn sight more accurate and concise than the original reports.

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4 comments:

M.O. said...

Some of my blogging friends and I believe this was an unwarranted public execution by trigger happy cops.

If you look into it, it's interesting where the death squads were trained, considering that in that country, this policy has not been effective.

Pablo said...

Iron Fist's stalker, I don't intend to retract the comment, nor to apologioze for it.

I made it while reports were that the police had taken down a bombing suspect. 7/22/2005 07:35AM PDT

Either way, are you trying to argue that 5 rounds to the back of the head is NOT sufficient? Or that we should be uncivilized?

Please explain your objection to the comment, freak.

Let's hope the inquiry is a damn sight more accurate and concise than the original reports.

This is virtually always the way these things work, Ham Grunt. Does your nic mean that you fancy yourself a pig?

Pablo said...

Actually, bd, I made those comments within a couple of hours of the incident, based on the reporting at the time. They were based on that, not on what would be reported in the future. My crystal ball is in the shop.

sloppy joe,

What I said is exactly the case. It is exactly the determination that was used in this case and it fits perfectly with what you quoted on the other thread: "A person may use such force as is reasonable in the prevention of crime."

When the crime is suicide bombing, head shots are entirely appropriate.

One of two things happened here:

1. The police thought he was a bomber and acted appropriately based on that belief.

2. de Menezes was intentionally murdered by the Metropolitan police.

Which one is it?

Pablo said...

No, bd, it is that cut and dried. One man pulled the trigger.

He had a reason. Either he thought he was protecting people by killing de Menezes, or he was murdering him.

Which is it?