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Thursday, July 21, 2005

Selective OutRage

The lizards are using a recent statement by British gay-rights campaigner Peter Tatchell as yet another way to demonize "The Left™" by portraying it as a vast, single-minded fifth column of devoted terror-enablers, blah blah blah.

However, Tatchell's statement contains much to give the LGFers pause. Here's an excerpt they didn't bother to include:

Terrorism is not socialism; it is the tactic of fascism. But much of the left doesn't care. Never mind what the Iraqi people want, it wants the US and UK out of Iraq at any price, including the abandonment of Iraqi socialists, trade unionists, democrats and feminists. If the fake left gets its way, the ex-Baathists and Islamic fundamentalists could easily seize power, leading to Iranian-style clerical fascism and a bloodbath. I used to be proud to call myself a leftist. Now I feel shame. Much of the left no longer stands for the values of universal human rights and international socialism.


Got that? Tatchell is a socialist. What's more, his pressure group OutRage has never been shy about exposing anti-gay prejudice wherever it raises its ugly head, and no religious or cultural group is immune. Recent OutRage press releases include a protest against deportations of gay asylum-seekers; a call to kick Poland out of the EU because the mayor of Warsaw banned a gay-pride parade; an article celebrating the increased Green and Lib Dem vote during the UK general election; and a description of Pope Benedict XVI as a "fundamentalist" and "authoritarian."

He has also marched against the war in Iraq as recently as this past March.

Despite all this, he has never turned a blind eye to Muslim persecution of gays and lesbians. See here and here and here. However, Tatchell, unlike many of his fellow socialists (and 99.9% of lizards) is able to place Muslim homophobia in context -- that it's just a particularly virulent strain of anti-gay bigotry, which exists in all cultures and all countries.

Indeed, the last terrorist attack to occur in London prior to 7/7 was at the Admiral Duncan, a gay pub in Soho, where a nail bomb exploded in 1999, killing three and injuring dozens. And guess what? The bomber wasn't a Muslim -- he was a home-grown neo-Nazi, with ties to the British National Party, who had earlier carried out similar bombings aimed against blacks in Brixton and against Bangladeshis -- who are mostly Muslim -- in Brick Lane.

So is there really room in the Big Green Tent for someone who defends people who give fake passports to asylum-seekers; hates the Pope; cheers the Greens; opposes the war in Iraq; and is a devoted anti-capitalist?

23 comments:

Pablo said...

The fact that Tatchell has been threatened with death (real death threats, not the "They weren'tnice to me so I'll whine about death threats" type you like to go on about) makes it newsworthy. The fact that it's Islamists making the threat makes it LGF-worthy. The fact that Tatchell is right about one thing doesn't make him right about everything.

When you're right, you're right. This is no different than the props given Barney Frank for rightly smacking Eason Jordan around.

As usual, you missed the point. The lockstep, groupthink, step-off-the-plantation-and-we'll-ostracize-you crew is on the left. There's room in the Lizard tent for anyone that is willing to see through open eyes, and call things what they are.

Breaking reports indicate 3 explosions in London. Better see what the BNP is up to, no?

MJ said...

There's room in the Lizard tent for anyone that is willing to see through open eyes, and call things what they are.

No there isn't. Posters disagreeing with the groupthink are jumped on instantly. If your not in with the 'in' crowd. If you can't ignore Iron Fists violent threats and lies. If you can't put to the back of your mind that Realwest lied about his father dying in 9/11. If you can't ignore the racism. You're not welcome.

Anyway Pablo....why don't you set up LGF Watch Watch? Oh you already did. Pity Evariste and Zorkmidden outgrew you.

Winston Smith said...

Yep. Something tells me Peter Tatchell wouldn't last very long on LGF, at least not if he ever strayed from the topic of Islamo-fascism. He's not much of a fan of Our Leader -- and LGF is, for all practical purposes, a George W. Bush fanzine.

Iron Fist's Cat said...

Miaow!

Chucky is vewwy vewwy "sensitive" these days, ain't he? Hmmmm. Probably after the little trip to Palo Alto with Roger (I'm with him) Simon didn't work out too well. After all, what venture cap persons want to invest in a racist enteprise like Pajama Media? His trolling for (even deleted) comments on KOS suggests he's trying a "we're not that bad, look at the other guys" defense. And his whining about "stalkers", as if no-one should question the Great Lizard Master or his mainly loathsome posters.

Both Chucky and Roger (I'm with him) Simon have promised "big announcements" about PJ Media and there just haven't been any.

Scaife would probably fund them though. Otherwise, I think Pajama Media is a dead duck.

Pablo said...

Bd, do you have some evidence to back up your version of events at LGFWW? Please, tell us all about your knowledge of the evolution of that blog, fool. Got any?

Didn't think so, loser.

If you can't stand up and argue your point without whining about being "jumped on" (which is exactly what you're doing to me...though you seem sorta lonely all of a sudden) then you have no business at LGF. You have no business trying to debate with big people.

He's not much of a fan of Our Leader -- and LGF is, for all practical purposes, a George W. Bush fanzine.

Geez, Winnie. I was beginning to think you were at least somewhat intelligent. You're becoming quite a disappointment. If you were actually watching LGF you'd know that's not correct.

Try a search for "Minutemen" and get back to me on that notion, would you? That is if you can spare a bit of time from writing your hate-zine....

Pablo said...

After all, what venture cap persons want to invest in a racist enteprise like Pajama Media?

Iron Fist's Wannabe Lover, do you even know what that word means?

MJ said...

Pablo,

Awww still sore after the LGFWW affair I see. You may want to take notice of the lack of any other LGF'ers or DL'ers spamming, trolling and making general twats of themselves here....take the
hint. You are a no-life moron who craves Chuckie attention....LGFWW was your attempt and you failed.

As for knowing what racist means....Pablo/Powderfinger....I'm sure you and your cohorts know only too well.

PS Ev and Zorkie have a site to be reasonably proud of....what have you got?

PPS As for you guys being BIG people....we've all seen the pics. Less chickenhawks more morbidly obese lame albatross hawks. Don't worry I'm sure you think your fit to fight.

Winston Smith said...

I'll see your "Minutemen" and raise you a John Roberts, a Karl Rove, an ACLU, and a Howard Dean.

On each of these issues, and many more, the official position of LGF is indistinguishable from that of the Republican Party. Perhaps you missed the news that GOP.com is now linking to LGF as an approved source of the GOP party line, but why would the GOP do that if they didn't generally approve of what Charles writes?

And why are you so reluctant to embrace your Republicanism, Pablo? Surely you're not ashamed of being a Republican tool, are you?

Winston Smith said...

Psssssttt...

Pablo said...

PS Ev and Zorkie have a site to be reasonably proud of....what have you got?

Why yes, they do. They're great people, unlike you. They're both enormously talented web designers...a skill that I sorely lack, and really have no desire to attain. I also lack the time to devote to blogging. But, the fact is that LGFWW was started because you cowards couldn't stand having your arguments shredded like so much cheddar, and therefore closed comments, lying about death threats and such.

You noticed that I walked away from the collaboration and not the other way around...right? Fool.

Now what's your excuse? What have you got, bd? Aside from my bootprint on your ass, that is. :)

Do you really think you're going to get anywhere with this line of attempted reasoning? Shall we ask Evariste over to explain it to you?

Heh.

Winston, my boy, I am not a Republican. Never have been. Never been a Democrat either.

I'll see your "Minutemen" and raise you a John Roberts, a Karl Rove, an ACLU, and a Howard Dean.

Really? What is your position on John Roberts? How about Howard Dean? What should one think about a political leader who openly expresses his hatred for half of the country? What is the "Republican position" on the ACLU? I'd love to see that spelled out.

What is the LGF position vis a vis Bush's proclamations regarding Islam? (Hint: ROPMA!)How about his increasing aid to Palestine? What about his calls for Israeli restraint? What about the restraint we've shown in Iraq/Afghanistan? How hard to you think you'd have to look to find lizards who think we went in soft, and aren't afraid to say so?

Just because we're ideologically opposed and you have a knee jerk reaction to anything having to do with Bush does not mean that I or any other LGFers have the opposite knee jerk reaction. While Bush has a lot of support among that crowd, he doesn't automatically get a pass for being George Bush.

Groupthink? Hardly.

Pssssst....

Winston Smith said...

And yet, for every semi-reasonable comment on LGF, there are a dozen barely coherent, ragingly paranoid, nuke-'em-all rants.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=16752

Again, I ask you: if LGF isn't a Republican (or at least Republican-friendly) site, why does GOP.com link to it?

OK, so maybe he "only" agrees with Bush 90% of the time, rather than 99.99% of the time. Doesn't change the fact that LGF is, for all intents and purposes, a Republican blog. And if you need any further proof that this is the case, just read any random post concerning the 2004 Presidential election.

Pablo said...

Doesn't change the fact that LGF is, for all intents and purposes, a Republican blog.

No, it isn't. Repeating it won't make it true. Ignoring the internal debate on issues won't make it true. Look at kos. That is a partisan political blog. LGF is a news aggregator, with an emphasis on Islamofascism.

Ask GOP.com why they link to it. And know that a tendancy to disagree with Democrats does not make one a Republican. According to Charles, he has voted for a Republican Presdidential ticket once. Same goes for me, and many others there. That's not Republicanism.

If you disagree with LGFers, does that make you an Islamist?

If you actually read the thing with any regularity, you'd already know all of this.

Winston Smith said...

"If you disagree with LGFers, does that make you an Islamist?"

According to most lizards, yes.

And Charles' relentless GOP ass-kissing during the 2004 election renders the rest of your post utterly absurd.

Granted, I haven't read every single comment ever posted on LGF, so maybe it really is possible to defend the Democrats there without being called an America-hating traitor. To your knowledge, has that ever actually occurred?

Pablo said...

And yet, for every semi-reasonable comment on LGF, there are a dozen barely coherent, ragingly paranoid, nuke-'em-all rants.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=16752


I just scanned that thread. Granted, I skimmed it rather quickly, but out of the 303 comments on it, I can't find one that would qualify as a "barely coherent, ragingly paranoid, nuke-'em-all rant."

By your calculus, there should be about 280 of them. What the hell are you talking about, Winston?

Pablo said...

To your knowledge, has that ever actually occurred?

Absolutely! And it's happened with one of the most liberal Democrats there are. Refer to the commentary on Barney Frank regarding the Eason Jordan kerfuffle.

Winston Smith said...

Nice try, but were they praising Frank because of, or in spite of, the fact that he's a Democrat?

If he had disagreed with the lizards' position that Jordan deserved to lose his job over remarks he made in front of a private gathering, would their admiration of him be any more fervent?

By "defend Democrats" I mean, "defend the Democratic Party." The U.S., like it or not, is still a two-party system, and around half of the electorate still trust the Democrats more than they trust the GOP. Yet most of the LGF chatter regarding Democrats as a whole centers on their alleged capitulation to the 'extreme left' and so on. The commonly used epithet 'Dhimmicrats' suggests that many lizards see all Democrats as traitors.

Talk about hating half of one's fellow citizens.

Pablo said...

And Charles' relentless GOP ass-kissing during the 2004 election renders the rest of your post utterly absurd.

Relentless ass kissing? What were you doing re: Kerry? Or Bush? Grow up.

The U.S., like it or not, is still a two-party system, and around half of the electorate still trust the Democrats more than they trust the GOP.

No, it's less than half. That's why the GOP controls the House, the Senate, the White House and the majority of State Houses.

Take it from a centrist. The Dems are not helping themselves. Howard Dean is not helping them. The Dems are in deep trouble, as political parties go.

I'm a big fan of having viable competing parties. I think debate is crucial to a vibrant democracy. I think we should have that.

Still, I can't help wondering what happened to the Whigs.

Pablo said...

The commonly used epithet 'Dhimmicrats' suggests that many lizards see all Democrats as traitors.

What is that crap? "Commonly used"? How commonly?

It's an insult. It's ideological hyperbole.

Are you whining or spinning?

/just wondering what you're made of

Pablo said...

By your calculus, there should be about 280 of them. What the hell are you talking about, Winston?

Waiting.....

Winston Smith said...

YeS, 48% is "less than half," but not by much. (That, in case you've forgotten, is the share of the vote Kerry received, despite Charlie and his fellow-travelers doing their utmost to convince us that Kerry is a lying America-hating traitor who would destroy the Republic.)

And I'm so very sorry if I offended you by characterizing the LGF endorsement of Bush as "ass-kissing." But be honest: Charles' coverage of the 2004 election as a whole was about as balanced as... as... a really unbalanced thing. You know it, I know it. So why deny it?

LGF is a Republican blog.

Pablo said...

YeS, 48% is "less than half," but not by much.

Zero, which is the number of parts of the Federal government controlled by Dems...due to their electoral failures...is much less than half. Even though Bush completely muffed the partisan politics game early on...and lost Jeffords...the GOP still controls all of it.



LGF is a Republican blog.


Then by your logic, this must be a Democratic blog, correct?

And are you going to link to any of those "barely coherent, ragingly paranoid, nuke-'em-all rants", or are you satisfied to make a false claim and just ignore being called on it?

Pablo said...

While you're over at LGF looking for those rants, you might want to have a look at this regarding LGF and Oakland's extreme Republican mayor and former California governor, Jerry Brown.

Now there's a Republican for you.

Snicker.

Pablo said...

Hmmmmm....

*crickets*